Quite so. Yes indeed this is one idea humans never tire of-if not this life, then the next, or better, this life and the next, and better still in a better body, better booty and a bigger realm and better soldiers and bigger monuments better made to last beyond the Flood.
Ah that Flood.
Yes we know some prepared.
One guy named Ozymandis had a poem-o he was Egyptian. Far too recent.
Let me see, where was I going with this thread, o the Flood, - I am an old Young Earther myself so I sometimes have senility impact-we saw that from my many and varied posts at the Nest, reflecting my many moods over many years- but still, the Flood survivors went underwater or underground or both or fled to high ground if they could and lo 9,000 years have come and gone. Now today we have a truly new world and new heavens that our PTSS survivors got to cope with over 9,000 years. And alas, the MAP IS NOT THE TERRAIN. Let me offer a good example: the Diamond Sutra is the oldest book and it was published because those who accepted it were afraid that the teaching would disappear. I am moved here to joke in a very literary way that Bodhi Dharma never went to Eboli and Christ halted there on his European tour.
Walter M. Miller wrote a marvelous science fiction novel from his 3 short stories called A Canticle for Leibowitz. The scene with Brother Francis and the bombshelter is the Gomer after the Flood.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing..." it took a long time to crack Rongo Rongo after all.
When you have a tight deadline for a super plan - one cannot mess around with pesky foriegn time and place keeping no matter how romantic or obscure. The plan has to be set to the dot... Universal time and space.
The start of time... and the very center of the planet... Lat-0 - Lon-0
I hate giving the obvious dots... it makes me feel cheap ;D
Post by Walking Owl on Feb 27, 2010 14:50:43 GMT -5
This makes me feel even cheaper... but dots are dots
Sir Francis bacon and his penchant for young Welsh men
Sir Francis Bacon's relationships—like those of his King—closely followed the pattern of patron/favourite.
More specifically, he had a preference for young Welsh serving-men.
That Bloody Percy
Even Bacon's mother, Lady Ann Bacon, in a letter to her other son Anthony (also gay), complains of "that bloody Percy" whom Francis kept "yea as a coach companion and a bed companion," as well as others including Jones, Markes, Enney "and his Welchmen one after another."
Lady Ann's major distress was not that her son was gay, but that it violated decorum for a nobleman to allow a servant to sleep in the master bedroom; she felt that a lower-ranking bedroom would have been more appropriate.
An amatory preference reduced to supercomputer calculations based on the entire corpus of Bacon's work being digitized and made open to search-as it is for Anglo-Saxon-is the only way we can know if our hypothesis is testable that it was amatory and not merely neurotic. For example, in his genius he is both genders. As we see with Whitman. And before him Caesar. ;D
The knowledge of Cyphering, hath drawne on with it a knowledge relative unto it, which is the knowledge of Discyphering, or of Discreting Cyphers, though a man were utterly ignorant of the Alphabet of the Cypher, and the Capitulations of secrecy past between the Parties.
Certainly it is an Art which requires great paines and a good witt and is (as the other was) consecrate to the Counsels of Princes: yet notwithstanding by diligent prevision it may be made unprofitable, though, as things are, it be of great use. For if good and faithfull Cyphers were invented & practised, many of them would delude and forestall all the Cunning of the Decypherer, which yet are very apt and easie to be read or written: but the rawnesse and unskilfulnesse of Secretaries, and Clarks in the Courts of Princes, is such, that many times the greatest matters are Committed to futile and weake Cyphers.
But it may be, that in the enumeration, and, as it were, taxation of Arts, some may thinke that we goe about to make a great Muster-rowle of Sciences, that the multiplication of them may be more admired; when their number perchance may be displayed, but their forces in so short a Treatise can hardly be tried.
But for our parts wee doe faithfully pursue our purpose, and in making this Globe of Sciences, we would not omitt the lesser and remoter Ilands.
Neither have we (in our opinion) touched these Arts perfunctorily, though cursorily; but with a piercing stile extracted the marrow and pith of them out of a masse of matter.
The judgement hereof we referre to those who are most able to judge of these Arts. For seeing it is the fashion of many who would be thought to know much, that every where making ostentation of words and outward termes of Arts, they become a wonder to the ignorant, but a derision to those that are Masters of those Arts: we hope that our Labours shall have a contrarie successe, which is, that they may arrest the judgment of every one who is best vers'd in every particular Art; and be undervalued by the rest .
As for those Arts which may seeme to bee of inferior ranke and order, if any man thinke wee attribute too much unto them; Let him looke about him and hee shall see that there bee many of speciall note and great account in their owne Countrie, who when they come to the chiefe City or feat of the Estate, are but of mean ranke and scarcely regarded: so it is no marvaile if these sleighter Arts, placed by the Principall and supreme Sciences, seeme pettie things; yet to those that have chosen to spend their labours and studies in them, they seeme great and excellent matters.
And thus much of the Organ of Speech.
-- Francis Bacon, The Advancement and Proficience of Learning, p 257-71, Book VI, 1640. ==============================================
We may never fathom the half of it... we are lucky to have come this far.
Francis Bacon's celebrated biliteral cipher (1605) was an arrangement of the letters a and b in five-letter combinations, each representing a letter of the alphabet. This code illustrates the important principle that a code employing only two different signs can be used to transmit information.
When we read works of the Renaissance and read Bacon we realize nothing is what it seems. Then when we walk over to the Metaphysical Poets we really get into symbols. As I said, the only way to be sure is to VEX language.
When we read works of the Renaissance and read Bacon we realize nothing is what it seems. Then when we walk over to the Metaphysical Poets we really get into symbols. As I said, the only way to be sure is to VEX language.
Post by Walking Owl on Mar 1, 2010 16:45:23 GMT -5
The 007 was the insignia number that Elizabeth was to use for private communiques between her Court and Dee.
John Dee(1527-1608) was a fascinating genius, considered a magus, philosopher and alchemist who captured the attention of the royal courts and best minds throughout Europe. You were either intimidated by his ideas and reputation or you wished to be influenced by them.
There has been more written about Francis Bacon's life from the age of sixteen, when he left England and travelled to the continent during the late 1570's meeting up with the leading thinkers of the cultural revolution in France, than his other formative years and the elders who also shaped his mind.
Alfred Dodd in his book Francis Bacon's Personal Life -Story quotes Bacon's biographer and chaplain, Dr.Rawley, "I shall not tread too near upon the heels of truth", letting us know that this biography of Bacon would not be too exact in it's details. Dodd's book speculates that Queen Elizabeth secretly supervised the education of young Francis. There are only brief accounts of his early days at York House and Gorhambury with his adoptive parents Sir Nicholas and Lady Anne Bacon.
On several occasions between 1582 and 1587, a group of spiritual beings presented themselves before Dr. John Dee (1527 - 1608), an Elizabethan scholar and astrologer of Queen Elisabeth I, and his 28 years younger medium Edward Kelley (1555 - 1595). Both were engaged in "mystical experiments" or secret, occult dealings with the unseen. These beings claimed to be the same choir of angels as those who had instructed the patriarch Enoch. ==============================================
Now imagine that as an education or indoctrination into the role of Master Architect for the securing of the "Grail" and only 400 years to do so.
After following this Wunderkind FB the Tudor Gomerite... I have oft wondered if there ever was a choice for him?
Mostly, I think not... someone wrote the prescription and the prescription of course was filled.
Yes tradition is important and I grok organizations and associations of men in and guiding times all the way back to Thrice Great Hermes. It remains an open question if behind this the unknown God. ;D You speak of the Gomer worksmiths and raising up an altar of science but in the words of Saint Bob Dylan-you gotta serve somebody-and so who in the angelic hierarchy hears the complaint for child support and Ma Earth?
You speak of the Gomer worksmiths and raising up an altar of science but in the words of Saint Bob Dylan-you gotta serve somebody-and so who in the angelic hierarchy hears the complaint for child support and Ma Earth?
Originally I thought it was all probably something to do with these things...
The Five Worst Extinctions in Earth's History Link
In that... life with ulterior intelligence i.e memory beyond self-lifetime... i.e humanity types... witnessed and remembered stuff beyond their own "remembrances." They even look around and find stuff from before - and arrive at many conclusions. Perhaps 1 + 1 = 3 when that route is pursued.
Since we are here now, I have to believe that extinctions have never been that efficient or effective. Perhaps we give extinction events too much weight. I am supposing at best they put a crimp into the style of humanity of the time - the rest just goes on, as it always has.
I make an exception to the dinosaur phase, I believe they were phased out having done their bio-mass acceleration duties on a sparse planet and so were a victim of planned obsolescent - not universal calamity. They were too big to be a sensible permanent feature anyway and extremely inconvenient to upwards mobility in fact. More an impediment than a benefit once they served their purpose - tons and tons of enriching manure and un-countless layers of bio mass.
So, I am thinking in terms of phases these days... about processes not events.
So... what then is the point of cyclic survival plans?
Artifact evidence shows with or without one... life seems to go on... like they say - cockroach and ant don't give it much thought.
The mother earth, or more correctly oceans, has kept us contained to a 20% patch of her domain... I expect with good reason on account of our opposable thumbs and the mischief that it can lead to. I expect like dinosaurs we too are a phase with decided purpose. The question at the moment might be... have we served it now... or is there to be more?
Left to our own devices we are naturally inclined not to go too far up the aspiration ladder, about half way unless suitably goaded to go beyond.
Seems to me the goading has been unmerciful... no idyllic lounging around for us. The question becomes, did we deliver?
That I think is a good clue. Without constant provocation we would not have for sure.
This is a clue I might think about a little. By myself... not encumbered by all the rot and twat of advanced thinking... I suppose, perhaps naively, it is all much more simple than that, and far easier to see than they would have us "see".
I hate when things are buried in the myth of complexity.
The red dragon became the symbol of the Welsh nation through its adoption by the Tudor ancestors of king Henry VII. Edmund and Jasper Tudor had a dragon as crest and supporter to the arms granted them by Henry VI. When Henry Tudor faced king Richard III at the battle of Bosworth in 1485 his battle standards numbered three.
One of these carried the arms of St. George of England, one the arms of the house of Beaufort and on one was a "Red ffyry dragon peyntid upon white and Grene Sarcenet".
It is held that this dragon banner represented Henry Tudor's claim to be a true representative of the ancient kings of Britain and served as his tribute to the Welsh people who had made his victory possible.
A modern day reminder....
Now Wales wants a 200ft sculpture to roar across the border
By Jaya Narain Last updated at 11:25 AM on 02nd March 2010
His gaze fixed towards England across the border, this ferocious dragon could be Wales's answer to the Statue of Liberty or the Angel of the North.
I agree this is plausible if biblical evidence were to be taken as the primary source material for the red dragon. We may not need to reach this far into the past to find the source story. What is interesting though is that I think the Michael material is important for unlocking the Hebrew story.
The mystery of the origins of the red dragon symbol, now on the flag of Wales, has perplexed many historians, writers and romanticists, and the archæological community generally has refrained from commenting on this most unusual emblem, claiming it does not concern them. In the ancient Welsh language it is known as 'Draig Goch' - 'red dragon', and in "Y Geiriadur Cymraeg Prifysgol Cymru", the "University of Wales Welsh Dictionary", (Cardiff, University of Wales Press, 1967, p. 1082) there are translations for the various uses of the Welsh word 'draig'. Amongst them are common uses of the word, which is today taken just to mean a 'dragon', but in times past it has also been used to refer to 'Mellt Distaw' - (sheet lightning), and also 'Mellt Didaranau' - (lightning unaccompanied by thunder).
But the most interesting common usage of the word in earlier times, according to this authoritative dictionary, is 'Maen Mellt' the word used to refer to a 'meteorite'. And this makes sense, as the Welsh word 'maen' translates as 'stone', while the Welsh word 'mellt' translates as 'lightning' - so literally a 'lightning-stone'. That the ancient language of the Welsh druids has words still in use today which have in the past been used to describe both a dragon and also a meteorite, is something that greatly helps us to follow the destructive 'trail of the dragon' as it was described in early Welsh 'riddle-poems'.
This is especially true of the "Hanes Taliesin", a riddle-poem that is so full of astronomical terms it is obvious that they were deliberately used by the composer - but to what end? Could they have been used to encode a druidic astro-mythology that was accessible only to 'initiates'?
In the mid 6th. century A.D. the ancient Cymric empire of the native Britons, that at one time had stretched from Cornwall in the south to Strathclyde in the north, was rapidly diminishing. And it was at this time that the bard who called himself Taliesin (radiant brow) first read his riddle-poem, "Hanes Taliesin" ("The History of Taliesin"), to King Maelgwn Gwynedd, who, like the bard, had been a student of St Illtud at the ancient druid college, later called Llanilltud Fawr, in Morganwg. Was King Maelgwn Gwynedd the only one in his 6th century Conwy Eisteddfod who was meant to understand the riddle-poem?. Or was it also a gathering of initiates from all over the island?
Of comparatively recent origin on the Welsh national flag, the association of the dragon with the country of Wales dates much further back - to the start of the European ‘Dark Age’; the times of King Arthur and the enigmatic Merlyn, neither of whom have ever been proven to be definitively mythical nor historical characters.
The exact nature and sequence of events in the mid-6th. century A.D. that gave rise to the period we refer to as the European ‘Dark Age’ is still a matter for speculation amongst historians and archæologists. Over the past 20 years or so, certain paleo-climatologists have begun comparing notes with archæologists and astronomers, and interestingly, in the absence of written records, many have begun to look a little more closely at mythology in their efforts to corroborate the findings of their researches. While much of this recent bout of inter-disciplinary brainstorming has focussed on the 6th.C. AD start of the European Dark Age, earlier dates are also of great interest to those embroiled in this veritable ‘paradigm shift’.
Archæologist and Dendrochronologist, Mike Baillie, of Queens University, Belfast, has compiled a '7,500-year tree-ring chronology' of Irish bog oaks, which offers an accurate picture of the weather on a year-by-year basis throughout those millennia. His 1999 book, "Exodus to Arthur: Catastrophic Encounters with Comets", traces the history of cometary dust-trail activity from those epochs by the indicators evident in 'narrowest tree-ring events'. And this has been looked at in much greater detail over the past six years, culminating in his September 2005 book, "The Celtic Gods: Comets in Irish Mythology", co-authored with QUB colleague, Patrick McCafferty.
Each year a tree puts on another ring, and the better the weather preferred by the tree, the wider the ring for that year. One of the most striking features of this most accurate of dating methods is its ability to detect past climatic downturns evident in the narrow tree-rings that bunch together over several consecutive years - indicating poor annual growth and an environmental downturn. Beginning in the year A.D. 536, and continuing through until A.D. 545, the dendrochronology record reveals a dramatic ‘narrowest-rings event’ that is corroborated by some of the findings of the Greenland Ice Sheet Projects. There, a significant absense of any tell-tale volcanic ‘acid spike’ in the ice-cores record suggests an altogether different cause - dustloading of the stratosphere by minute particles of dust and other cometary debris.
Climatologists and astronomers concur that this event bears all the hallmarks of a 'cosmic winter’ scenario - when dust in the stratosphere blots out the Sun, lowering the global temperature, hindering plant growth and in so doing undermining agricultural societies.
This has happened a number of times as a result of volcanic eruptions, but it can also result from ‘dust-loading’ of the stratosphere caused when the Earth’s orbital path encounters the trails of cometary debris that literally boils off the ice-and-rubble comets as they approach the Sun on their journeys through our solar system. Indeed, recently, on September 3rd, 2004, a small asteroid which disintegrated in the stratosphere above Antarctica deposited sufficient micron-sized dust particles to cause ‘local cooling, and much speculation as to the possible effects on the ozone layer.
Much of the make-up of comets is sub-micron dust along with frozen water, methane and other gasses, as well as various organic molecules, pebbles, stones, and boulders of metal and rocks measuring from a few feet wide to bolides many miles in diameter. The dust in small quantities burns up harmlessly as it enters the Earth’s atmosphere giving rise to what we term ‘shooting stars’, with larger grains often providing the most spectacular multiple ‘fireball’ displays. Much denser cometary debris trails can over-load the upper atmosphere with ‘dust veils’, both locally and globally, causing ‘cosmic winters’ similar to those caused by volcanic activity, and nuclear war scenarios.
The larger rocks and boulders can bombard the Earth causing impact craters that throw their ejected debris up into the atmosphere with much the same effect. While air-bursting meteorites can cause huge fireballs and intense blast waves that can devastate thousands of square miles around the area of detonation, as happened in the Tunguska region of Siberia on the 30th of June 1908.
In recent years certain astronomers have increasingly come to appreciate that encoded in the folklore and mythologies of many cultures are the accurate observations of ancient skywatchers. Almost all tell of times when death and mass destruction came from the skies, events that are often portrayed as ‘celestial battles’ between what they variously depicted as ‘the Gods’. And curiously the imagery in these ‘myths’ have many common features, even between the mythologies of cultures widely spaced in time and location.
For example, in Appendix 1 of Basil Clarke’s 1973 translation of Geoffrey of Monmouth’s “Vita Merlini” ("Life of Merlyn"), he comments on the Lailoken tales, and the particular story of the encounter with St Kentigern. It is believed that Lailoken and Merlyn were really the same character - Lailoken in the Scottish tradition, and Merlyn in the Welsh. Having rushed out of the woods a naked and hairy madman, Lailoken/Merlyn is asked by St Kentigern what has driven him to “...wander alone in this lonely place and keep company with the beasts of the woods” .
He replies to St. Kentigern that he felt great guilt, because he believed he had been the cause of the many deaths resulting from the battle of Arfderydd, saying:
“In that fight the sky began to split above me, and I heard a tremendous din, a voice from the sky saying to me, ‘Lailochen, Lailochen, because you alone are responsible for the blood of all these dead men, you alone will bear the punishment for the misdeeds of all. For you will be given over to the angels of Satan, and until the day of your death you will have communion with the creatures of the wood.’ But when I directed my gaze towards the voice I heard, I saw a brightness too great for human senses to endure. I saw, too, numberless martial battalions in the heaven like flashing lightning, holding in their hands fiery lances and glittering spears which they shook most fiercely at me.” 
In Welsh Merlyn is called Myrddyn, and the Welsh town of Carmarthen is called in Welsh, CaerFyrddyn, meaning 'the fortress of Merlyn'. Some fifteen miles or so northeast of Carmarthen is an oddly-named place called Llwyn Wormwood - odd because in Welsh there is a word for wormwood, 'wermod', and because this is in one of the least anglicised areas of rural Wales.
Another place called Llwyn Wormwood is situated just over 10 miles to the southeast, not far from the Welsh market town of Llandovery. Could these places shed any new light on the Merlyn ‘vision’ referred to in the Basil Clarke 1973 translation of Geoffrey of Monmouth’s “Vita Merlini” ("Life of Merlyn")? And more importantly, was the character known as Merlyn a witness to the mid-6th century event evident in the tree-ring record?